Mellowed wrote:The Bible says "Judge [not] lest ye be judged"-yet we all do it and some righteously so.
The FULL verse says "Judge not, lest you be judged, for whatever measure you use will be measured out upon you." (I hate quotes that don't record even a complete sentence! ^_^; )
Since the Bible also claims to be the yardstick be which God will judge us all ANYWAY, then theoretically 1) if that's the only measure one uses, and 2) one uses it accurately and doesn't change/modify/leave out/add in stuff while you're doing it... doesn't that also mean that you aren't really hurting yourself if you judge others using ONLY the Bible as your yardstick?
Slavery was justified by the Bible way back when.
It was NEVER "justified" by the Bible, just never condemned (the fact that wishful thinkers try to justify their actions with words that DON'T notwithstanding). In addition, the slavery of that day and age differed from the slavery of the American Antebellum period in MANY ways, most importantly in the aspects of not being race-based, being more of an economic status and less a social one, and not being permanent or hereditary (unless being punished for a crime(s) one could usually earn one's own freedom, and one's children were NOT automatically the property of one's master).
It has also been translated so as to probably change alot of the literal meaning of the contents.
I know people say this, sometimes very intelligent people. IT IS NOT THE TRUTH. Don't take my word for it, if it's important to you in either direction, go do the research for yourself, be thorough, and be honest. Yes, translation from one language to the next always makes for some innacuracies of connotation and feel, but it does NOT guarantee that what's being translated cannot be understood in the next language. Far from it. Anyone who knows more than one language with any degree of fluency can tell you this.
Oh yeah, and although the book's been translated into a bazillion different languages a bazillion different times, IT HAS NOT BEEN TRANSLATED FROM LANGUAGE TO LANGUAGE TO LANGUAGE, ETC. We have the original writings (or near enough to them as makes no difference) in their original tongues, it's only one step from there to English/Russian/Hindi/pick a language.
euphjock wrote:So many of our brothers who profess to be Christians are anything but! And they have have done more to hurt the cause of Christ than any other event in history.
I have long believed that "Christians" are their own worst enemies. Even the sincere ones often do not know their own scriptures well enough to defend them or their origins (let alone their own practices and beliefs), they change their scriptures seemingly at whim ("Well, yeah it SAYS that, but what it MEANS is..."), and they seemingly cannot enter into religious discussions with the attititude that they MIGHT be wrong about some of the things they THINK they know. (Homosexuality, for instance, is not even ONCE condemned as an "orientation." Bet you didn't know that, a lot of you. Homosexual ACTS, on the other hand, well....)
If you're going to hold to a religion (or any other significant world viewpoint) at least know it well enough that you can LOOK UP the answer to a question someone asks about it. The next person that says to me "You've just gotta have more FAITH," instead of actually trying to find an answer is going to get me riled UP, I tell ya.
Between that and the misquoted/misrepresented scripture/history/science out there, it's no wonder there's a million different faiths, and it's no wonder so many people are so confused.
Sorry, Jen! Just had to satisfy a pet peeve there. Differences of opinion don't bug me a whole bunch, but arguments/discussions that are made from incorrect/incomplete information grate on my last nerve.