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STOPKINS NOW! wrote:
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McCain is also an idiot, he is willing to wage a hundred year war...


Sorry, but this statement does not reflect his stated views. He indicated that a presence would be required for a long period of time, much like we see today in Japan, Korea, and Germany half a century after the fact. Agree or disagree, that is entirely different than suggesting an active century-long war.


He's wrong either way, we don't need a presence over there. Why are we nation building? We need to get out now. Not just in iraq but the dozens of countries we feel the need to occupy,

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STOPKINS NOW! wrote:
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McCain is also an idiot, he is willing to wage a hundred year war...


Sorry, but this statement does not reflect his stated views. He indicated that a presence would be required for a long period of time, much like we see today in Japan, Korea, and Germany half a century after the fact. Agree or disagree, that is entirely different than suggesting an active century-long war.


He's wrong either way, we don't need a presence over there. Why are we nation building? We need to get out now. Not just in iraq but the dozens of countries we feel the need to occupy.


If we have a military base in South Korea, Japan, Germany, Italy or anywhere else, does that mean we are "occupying" that country? If we announced that we were pulling out of many of those countries you would cries and protests from those countries because they don't want us to leave.

Hague Conventions of 1907 wrote:
Article 42.
Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.
The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.

Article 43.
The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.

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If we have a military base in South Korea, Japan, Germany, Italy or anywhere else, does that mean we are "occupying" that country? If we announced that we were pulling out of many of those countries you would cries and protests from those countries because they don't want us to leave.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Wow, are you really so delusional that you still think the rest of the world views America as the Great Protector?

Italians protest U.S. base
Spanish protest U.S. base
Koreans protest U.S. base
Czechs protest U.S. base
Bulgarians protest U.S. base
Filipinos protest U.S. base
Japanese protest U.S. base
Puerto Ricans protest U.S. base

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Hostrauser wrote:
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If we have a military base in South Korea, Japan, Germany, Italy or anywhere else, does that mean we are "occupying" that country? If we announced that we were pulling out of many of those countries you would cries and protests from those countries because they don't want us to leave.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Wow, are you really so delusional that you still think the rest of the world views America as the Great Protector?


What is amazing is that you feel the need to scrounge for these reports in order to shed a negative light on the U.S.

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Now from the reality side of things "The base provides over 1,000 jobs to locals in Vicenza and injects millions of dollars into the local economy. A withdrawal could have serious local economic consequences." Italy is fortunate that the Allies didn't simply take their spoils after WWII.

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An article from 1987?? This is also the country that allowed terrorists to influence their election results.

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Protesting the location from the sound of things. Try to build an airport in a US city sometime and you will face stronger opposition.

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The protest was largely made up of leftist activist, communists, and Greens. The Czech leadership however, had a slightly different point of view "The US plan to position its missile-shield facilities in Central Europe has infuriated Russia, whose officials have said the US umbrella is being developed against the Russian arsenal.

On Friday, the Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek said the US radar base would conclude Czech Republic's emancipation from Russia.

'It started with the departure of Soviet troops,' he told an annual gathering of central, eastern and southern European presidents held in the Czech city of Brno. 'The erection of the radar would crown the process to reclaim freedom."


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Quoted from a sympathetic source regarding a group protesting all military bases.

Hostrauser wrote:
Protests regarding joint humanitarian exercises with about 600 U.S. troops.

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Regarding a single alleged rape by a serviceman.

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"The United States Navy has started new bombing exercises on the Puerto Rican island of Vieques, despite protests by islanders, who say they are causing massive environmental damage."


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Hostrauser wrote:
Bandmaster wrote:
If we have a military base in South Korea, Japan, Germany, Italy or anywhere else, does that mean we are "occupying" that country? If we announced that we were pulling out of many of those countries you would cries and protests from those countries because they don't want us to leave.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Wow, are you really so delusional that you still think the rest of the world views America as the Great Protector?

Italians protest U.S. base
Spanish protest U.S. base
Koreans protest U.S. base
Czechs protest U.S. base
Bulgarians protest U.S. base
Filipinos protest U.S. base
Japanese protest U.S. base
Puerto Ricans protest U.S. base


Let's see... in Puerto Rico....
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On February 21, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld announced that the U.S. Navy will close the Roosevelt Roads Naval Air Station in Puerto Rico in 2004, eliminating 1200 civilian jobs as well as 700 military positions. This naval facility is estimated to put nearly $300 million annually into the local economy. The next day a stunned Governor Sila Calderon, held a news conference in San Juan, protesting the base closure as a serious blow to Commonwealth's fragile economy. The governor stated that "The people of Puerto Rico don't now or never did have an interest in closing the Vieques bombing range or the Roosevelt Roads naval base. My government is interested in both staying in Puerto Rico."


In Germany....
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On February 21, the Secretary of Defense also announced that starting this year, the U.S. European Command would begin moving most if not all of its active combat and support units from bases in Germany to others being established in Poland, The Czech Republic, Hungary and Turkey to "better position them for rapid deployment to likely hot spots in those parts of the world". Immediately the business and government leaders in the German states of Hesse, Rhineland and Wurttemburg, protested the loss of nearly $6 billion in revenue each year from the bases and manpower to be displaced.


Plus, no American bases exist where the host government doesn't give it's permission, except Cuba.

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Ok, after reading this thread I had to chime in a bit on this "base issue". Here's something people just don't understand. Having a military base in Iraq isn't like having one in Japan, Germany, South Korea, etc....Reagan was a smart man to realize how different the Middle East is from other regions of the world. So was Bush Sr when he knew going into Iraq would not be smart in the long run. I happen to be an old school conservative who is against nation building and I'm for the Reagan doctrine on this issue. Our dealings throughout the decades in the Middle East has only caused us harm. This isn't Germany, Japan, or any other region whatsoever. This is a region which has a LONG history of religous war among Muslims and Christians, Muslims and Jews, Arabs and Jews, and differect sects of Muslims. Also, they do consider an American base as "occupying". Listen to counterterrorist experts on this subject and you'll hear the same thing over and over. CIA calls it blowback. Of course we see it as having a military presence to maintain control and balance..Some Arabs see it as a Christian army on Holy Muslim soil. And that will probably never change. It's not like most or all terrorists come from one country or certain region in the Middle East. They also come from our "allied" Middle Eastern countries such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Kuwait. Actually, according to CIA reports, more terrorists come from these three countries than Iraq and Afghanistan combined in terms of nationalilty. Take Iran for example. The "extremists" from Iran who come into Iraq are not even mostly Iranians. They travel from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and then enter Iraq from Iran. And most of the weapons they use to fight us are actually the same weapons we arm Arab countries with. When are we going to realize that dealing weapons with Arab countries isn't the smartest thing to do?? We've done it before and we're still doing it now in Iraq. It's unreal. So to sum up, yes McCain said we could have troops there for 100 years due to military bases. But to think you can keep building miltary bases in the Middle East without blowback is naive to say the least. History has shown us that much.


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He claims he is not a Muslim but he was sworn into Congress on the Koran, not the Bible.


Simply not true. See snopes.com.

That said, I am not a fan of Obama.

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