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 Post subject: Christopher Buckley Endorses Obama
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:42 pm 
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Looks like Tina Brown's The Daily Beast may have lucked into the chance to grab up some major full-time talent, as conservative author Christopher Buckley has left the National Review in the wake of his publishing an endorsement of Barack Obama on the Beast. Apparently, despite the pains Buckley took to disambiguate his private endorsement from the Review, his momentary wander off the reservation brought the same sort of hailstorm of opprobrium earned by Kathleen Parker when she criticized GOP vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin. Buckley took it upon himself to offer his resignation. The way he describes it, it looks like this was expected!

Within hours of my endorsement appearing in The Daily Beast it became clear that National Review had a serious problem on its hands. So the next morning, I thought the only decent thing to do would be to offer to resign my column there. This offer was accepted--rather briskly!--by Rich Lowry, NR's editor, and its publisher, the superb and able and fine Jack Fowler. I retain the fondest feelings for the magazine that my father founded, but I will admit to a certain sadness that an act of publishing a reasoned argument for the opposition should result in acrimony and disavowal.

It's pretty clear that the spasm of reaction engendered by his support for Obama disappoints Buckley on some level, as he takes the time to note that his father, the late William Buckley, "endorsed a number of liberal Democrats for high office, including Allard K. Lowenstein and Joe Lieberman." He goes on to say:

So, I have been effectively fatwahed (is that how you spell it?) by the conservative movement, and the magazine that my father founded must now distance itself from me. But then, conservatives have always had a bit of trouble with the concept of diversity. The GOP likes to say it's a big-tent. Looks more like a yurt to me.

While I regret this development, I am not in mourning, for I no longer have any clear idea what, exactly, the modern conservative movement stands for. Eight years of "conservative" government has brought us a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance. As a sideshow, it brought us a truly obscene attempt at federal intervention in the Terry Schiavo case.

So, to paraphrase a real conservative, Ronald Reagan: I haven't left the Republican Party. It left me.

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Where was this article taken from?.......................Bill


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So, a person working for a generally considered conservative media publication endorses the liberal of all liberals and is no longer wanted there?

Ummmm, duh.

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So, a person working for a generally considered conservative media publication endorses the liberal of all liberals and is no longer wanted there?

Ummmm, duh.

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I am not familiar at all with this magazine, but it sounds like Buckley is the son of the founder of it? At least that is what is noted in this article. So, its not just a random employee of this magazine as you say, it is the son of the founder...which is a interesting IMO.


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LAMystreaux wrote:
So, a person working for a generally considered conservative media publication endorses the liberal of all liberals and is no longer wanted there?

Ummmm, duh.

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I am not familiar at all with this magazine, but it sounds like Buckley is the son of the founder of it? At least that is what is noted in this article. So, its not just a random employee of this magazine as you say, it is the son of the founder...which is a interesting IMO.


Yes, I noted that as well. I still don't think it is that big a story in this day and age. The viewpoint trumps the bloodline it seems.

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Where was this article taken from?.......................Bill

The news.

I've tired of the knee-jerk ad hominem attacks by darn near every conservative member of this forum, so I've decided I'm no longer going to list my sources. Seeing as how I'm not regarded as credible on here as it is I fail to see how this could hurt further.

For the truly curious, though, most of the things I link won't be too difficult to find with a simple internet search.

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I've tired of the knee-jerk ad hominem attacks by darn near every conservative member of this forum, so I've decided I'm no longer going to list my sources.


Awww. Pity.

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I've tired of the knee-jerk ad hominem attacks by darn near every conservative member of this forum, so I've decided I'm no longer going to list my sources. Seeing as how I'm not regarded as credible on here as it is I fail to see how this could hurt further.


Well, if you would just post them and ask for an honest discussion about it instead of posting it like you want to stick it in our eye! How do you think Rush came up with his term of "drive by media?" They just through stuff out there, but don't do it in the spirit of having a real discussion. There are ALWAYS at least two sides to any discussion.

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Well, if you would just post them and ask for an honest discussion about it instead of posting it like you want to stick it in our eye!



You do notice that the title of the thread is very simple and to the point of the article, and that the original post is just the article, right? It wasn't till some people responded to it did he state his opinion.


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Well, if you would just post them and ask for an honest discussion about it instead of posting it like you want to stick it in our eye!



You do notice that the title of the thread is very simple and to the point of the article, and that the original post is just the article, right? It wasn't till some people responded to it did he state his opinion.


But that is not his usual method, and you know that. Kevin never seems to be truly interested in a discussion, and it surprises me that you come to his defense.

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Well, if you would just post them and ask for an honest discussion about it instead of posting it like you want to stick it in our eye!


You do notice that the title of the thread is very simple and to the point of the article, and that the original post is just the article, right? It wasn't till some people responded to it did he state his opinion.


But that is not his usual method, and you know that. Kevin never seems to be truly interested in a discussion, and it surprises me that you come to his defense.

Currently, as I type this up, there are 26 topics started by me on the front page of the political forum, dating back over six months ("The Power of Prayer," the oldest on the front page, was started March 28th)(my account is set up to show 50 topics per page).

In eleven instances (42.3%) I posted just the article/quote and nothing else.

In twelve instances (46.2%) I posted the article and a few words (<50) of commentary. Seven of those twelve times included less than 20 words of commentary, usually just a pithy, off-handed remark.

Only in three instances (11.5%) did I offer up more detailed commentary/opinion in the initial post.

88.5% - 11.5%

Point, Chadwick.

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Well, if you would just post them and ask for an honest discussion about it instead of posting it like you want to stick it in our eye!


You do notice that the title of the thread is very simple and to the point of the article, and that the original post is just the article, right? It wasn't till some people responded to it did he state his opinion.


But that is not his usual method, and you know that. Kevin never seems to be truly interested in a discussion, and it surprises me that you come to his defense.

Currently, as I type this up, there are 26 topics started by me on the front page of the political forum, dating back over six months ("The Power of Prayer," the oldest on the front page, was started March 28th)(my account is set up to show 50 topics per page).

In eleven instances (42.3%) I posted just the article/quote and nothing else.

In twelve instances (46.2%) I posted the article and a few words (<50) of commentary. Seven of those twelve times included less than 20 words of commentary, usually just a pithy, off-handed remark.

Only in three instances (11.5%) did I offer up more detailed commentary/opinion in the initial post.

88.5% - 11.5%

Point, Chadwick.


Yay! Liberals, unite!

Seriously, for example, when you present facts/articles about Palin's faith without a mention of Obama's the mere mention/omission is commentary in and of itself, if you ask me. You present items with an agenda (as others of us do as well) and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

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Seven of those twelve times included less than 20 words of commentary, usually just a pithy, off-handed remark.


I did not know you had a lisp. :P

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Seven of those twelve times included less than 20 words of commentary, usually just a pithy, off-handed remark.


I did not know you had a lisp. :P

Mike

That adjective would work, too. :lol:

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