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 Post subject: Doh!!!
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You JUST beat me to posting this Jim!!! Hmmmmm....Bluecoats were two tenths behind Cavies last night but now 1.5 behind Phantom (and Cavies also had a high 79 tonight). This KIND of reminds me of the NFL nowadays.....there seems to be a level of "parity" amongst the top 6 or so right now with no CLEAR CUT leader at this point (hell, it's only the 2nd weekend of shows, for pete's sake). Shows are still undone (SCV comes to mind) and "complete" shows are still empty of some guard work and LOTS of effect stuff. I SUPPOSE Cavies, Phantom and BD are an early top 3 (and not necessarily in that order) - and it will probably all change in a week!!!! :lol:

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You JUST beat me to posting this Jim!!! Hmmmmm....Bluecoats were two tenths behind Cavies last night but now 1.5 behind Phantom (and Cavies also had a high 79 tonight). This KIND of reminds me of the NFL nowadays.....there seems to be a level of "parity" amongst the top 6 or so right now with no CLEAR CUT leader at this point (hell, it's only the 2nd weekend of shows, for pete's sake). Shows are still undone (SCV comes to mind) and "complete" shows are still empty of some guard work and LOTS of effect stuff. I SUPPOSE Cavies, Phantom and BD are an early top 3 (and not necessarily in that order) - and it will probably all change in a week!!!! :lol:



Hmmm, not sure how you don't include Cadets in a top 3 mention. They have had the top score (albeit at different shows) for the better part of a week. We will soon see how they stack up.

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You JUST beat me to posting this Jim!!! Hmmmmm....Bluecoats were two tenths behind Cavies last night but now 1.5 behind Phantom (and Cavies also had a high 79 tonight). This KIND of reminds me of the NFL nowadays.....there seems to be a level of "parity" amongst the top 6 or so right now with no CLEAR CUT leader at this point (hell, it's only the 2nd weekend of shows, for pete's sake). Shows are still undone (SCV comes to mind) and "complete" shows are still empty of some guard work and LOTS of effect stuff. I SUPPOSE Cavies, Phantom and BD are an early top 3 (and not necessarily in that order) - and it will probably all change in a week!!!! :lol:



Hmmm, not sure how you don't include Cadets in a top 3 mention. They have had the top score (albeit at different shows) for the better part of a week. We will soon see how they stack up.



It's a very complex and challenging algorithmic equation that I use......it's called blowing smoke out ** ***!!!!! No really, I simply took the top 3 scores from Sunday night........and Cadets didn't have a show on Sunday night!!! You ARE right, though, TX - with the exception of the first show Cadets have been right up there as well with scores at or near the top. Like I said, it'll all probably change in a week!!!! :oops:

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TXMystreaux wrote:
joninchina wrote:
You JUST beat me to posting this Jim!!! Hmmmmm....Bluecoats were two tenths behind Cavies last night but now 1.5 behind Phantom (and Cavies also had a high 79 tonight). This KIND of reminds me of the NFL nowadays.....there seems to be a level of "parity" amongst the top 6 or so right now with no CLEAR CUT leader at this point (hell, it's only the 2nd weekend of shows, for pete's sake). Shows are still undone (SCV comes to mind) and "complete" shows are still empty of some guard work and LOTS of effect stuff. I SUPPOSE Cavies, Phantom and BD are an early top 3 (and not necessarily in that order) - and it will probably all change in a week!!!! :lol:



Hmmm, not sure how you don't include Cadets in a top 3 mention. They have had the top score (albeit at different shows) for the better part of a week. We will soon see how they stack up.


It's just killing you to not know... isn't it TX? :wink:

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TXMystreaux wrote:
joninchina wrote:
You JUST beat me to posting this Jim!!! Hmmmmm....Bluecoats were two tenths behind Cavies last night but now 1.5 behind Phantom (and Cavies also had a high 79 tonight). This KIND of reminds me of the NFL nowadays.....there seems to be a level of "parity" amongst the top 6 or so right now with no CLEAR CUT leader at this point (hell, it's only the 2nd weekend of shows, for pete's sake). Shows are still undone (SCV comes to mind) and "complete" shows are still empty of some guard work and LOTS of effect stuff. I SUPPOSE Cavies, Phantom and BD are an early top 3 (and not necessarily in that order) - and it will probably all change in a week!!!! :lol:



Hmmm, not sure how you don't include Cadets in a top 3 mention. They have had the top score (albeit at different shows) for the better part of a week. We will soon see how they stack up.


It's just killing you to not know... isn't it TX? :wink:


Honestly, not really. My true allegiance this summer goes to the Crossmen hands down. Upon my first hearing of the Cadets show with the narration I was not a fan, but it has somewhat grown on me since. I am actually surprised at how high their scores have been, but kind of glad for them. They went through so much crap last summer, it is good to see them doing well again. But, I am most anticipating seeing how Crossmen will stack up with the lower tier corps fighting their way into Finals.

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Hey Tx.....have you run into some Alumni on tour? Like the Reedys or Michelle?

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Hey Tx.....have you run into some Alumni on tour? Like the Reedys or Michelle?


I cooked with Donna. She is a great lady. I am sure I met some other alumni but at the moment cannot remember.

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 Post subject: Re: Simple.....
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It's a very complex and challenging algorithmic equation that I use......it's called blowing smoke out ** ***!!!!!


Hey Jon, have you shown any drum coprs videos to your students in China yet? If so, what do they think about our crazy musical past time?

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It's a very complex and challenging algorithmic equation that I use......it's called blowing smoke out ** ***!!!!!


Hey Jon, have you shown any drum coprs videos to your students in China yet? If so, what do they think about our crazy musical past time?


Hey Dave, GREAT to hear from you!! Funny you mention this.....just recently my music dept. director read about a chinese school band from Beijing going to the world championships for the "world association of marching show bands" (yes, this is real - check out www.wamsb.org). He got real excited about this, and he REALLY wants to do a marching band at our school. This has been discussed several times with my school director (my TOP boss) in the past.....I've told them that I AM ready to do one - but that we have to do it RIGHT. We need a dedicated class time (1-2 times a week) AND proper marching instruments (carrying concert french horns just doesn't work for me, you know?). WELL, 5 months later we are finalizing the budget for the first purchase of REAL marching instruments (2 floater snares, 1 set of quints, 3 bass drums, 2 mellophones and a brass sousaphone - not a lot to start with but a decent beginning)!! What I AM doing is starting a parade band this September - a real, proper parade band. I don't have a color guard, so I will "borrow" dancers from the school as needed and do something with them. With a parade band, I can start teaching the necessary skills that will be needed for a "Blast" style group (we have a couple of great theaters at the school with ALL state of the art lights and stuff) or even a outdoor group. The school is finally ready to do this, and based on the success of the parade band the school is prepared to spend the necessary money to do a proper indoor/outdoor contemporary marching group.

I know, this all sounds GREAT (and it is, don't get me wrong)......and it's also pretty scary at the same time. Why? Well, think about it - I'm essentially doing this BY MYSELF over here........no percussion people, no guard people, no one teaching basics...........JUST ME. Yes, I have a number of young teachers here that I work with (they do all the private instrument lessons and help me in band and orchestra) that are very excited about this and want to help.........but they don't know how to march either!! I don't even have a budget for bringing over specialists yet (I will, that will be in 1-2 years).........so the ONLY way I can "educate" people is by showing them "Blast" or the DCI Championships (I have the 2005 and 2006 ESPN broadcast). The students think drum corps is just AMAZING.......and they think "we could NEVER do that!!"

OK, here comes a plea for help from anyone out there on the forum....I need downloadable videos of Div.2/3 corps - Division 3 preferred. I've already tried the official route - I contacted DCI (several e-mails to the home office) OVER A YEAR ago regarding bringing a contingent of teachers to the USA for the DCI Championships. My school was considering funding a trip for 2-3 teachers to Pasadena for education purposes - but DCI never returned my e-mails. I ALSO asked DCI about any promotional materials (videos, DVD's, literature) regarding Division 2 and 3........again, NO response. There IS interest over here about doing something like this........and there is a real LACK of information available. I think that if I show a couple of top Division 3 corps to my students, they'll look at that and think "ok, maybe we CAN do that" - and if I show these groups to my directors, the answer is probably going to be "tell us what you need". China is a HUGE, untapped resource when it comes to things like this......and there IS a lot of money floating around over here waiting to be spent on something worthwhile in the arts. That's the key - since no one over here has really seen this "crazy musical pastime" (to quote you, Dave), they have NO IDEA how worthwhile it is!! If this catches on (and I think it can), there is no reason why there couldn't be a "DCI China" in 20 years or so!! China thinks a bit differently.............it would be something like a regional/national series of competitions over here, and the top qualifiers (2 or 3) would advance to the international level (i.e. DCI in America or possibly Europe).

OK, I am speculating WAY too much here right now!! I have to start somewhere, and the parade band is where it will begin. Next, I need things to show my leaders and students (and not something like the Cavaliers, even though everyone here is just BLOWN AWAY by the "Machine" show from last year) - something that they can look at and think "ok - we CAN do that". Division 2 or 3 videos, marching band videos (smaller bands preferred), parade videos..........get the idea?? ANY help from ANYONE would be appreciated!! If anyone out there has anything they would prefer to send over here, PM me and I can give you the school's address. My school LOVES to establish friendships and cooperation with people (and SCHOOLS) from all over the world.....so if you send something as a "gift", we can reciprocate in kind with DVD's, potential performance opportunities here in Nanning (and in China).....any band directors out there interested??? PM me and we can talk!!!!

Whew............sorry about that - I just couldn't stop my fingers from typing!! Dave, I think I answered your question.....didn't I?? :wink:

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TXMystreaux wrote:
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Hey Tx.....have you run into some Alumni on tour? Like the Reedys or Michelle?


I cooked with Donna. She is a great lady. I am sure I met some other alumni but at the moment cannot remember.


Not to hi-jack this thread.....but, yes Donna is a really great woman following in the footsteps of her mother. Her mom used to cook for the whole corps in a small pop up camper. I marched with Donna and her husband was on instructional staff at the time.

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joninchina wrote:
It's a very complex and challenging algorithmic equation that I use......it's called blowing smoke out ** ***!!!!!


Hey Jon, have you shown any drum coprs videos to your students in China yet? If so, what do they think about our crazy musical past time?


Hey Dave, GREAT to hear from you!! Funny you mention this.....just recently my music dept. director read about a chinese school band from Beijing going to the world championships for the "world association of marching show bands" (yes, this is real - check out www.wamsb.org). He got real excited about this, and he REALLY wants to do a marching band at our school. This has been discussed several times with my school director (my TOP boss) in the past.....I've told them that I AM ready to do one - but that we have to do it RIGHT. We need a dedicated class time (1-2 times a week) AND proper marching instruments (carrying concert french horns just doesn't work for me, you know?). WELL, 5 months later we are finalizing the budget for the first purchase of REAL marching instruments (2 floater snares, 1 set of quints, 3 bass drums, 2 mellophones and a brass sousaphone - not a lot to start with but a decent beginning)!! What I AM doing is starting a parade band this September - a real, proper parade band. I don't have a color guard, so I will "borrow" dancers from the school as needed and do something with them. With a parade band, I can start teaching the necessary skills that will be needed for a "Blast" style group (we have a couple of great theaters at the school with ALL state of the art lights and stuff) or even a outdoor group. The school is finally ready to do this, and based on the success of the parade band the school is prepared to spend the necessary money to do a proper indoor/outdoor contemporary marching group.

I know, this all sounds GREAT (and it is, don't get me wrong)......and it's also pretty scary at the same time. Why? Well, think about it - I'm essentially doing this BY MYSELF over here........no percussion people, no guard people, no one teaching basics...........JUST ME. Yes, I have a number of young teachers here that I work with (they do all the private instrument lessons and help me in band and orchestra) that are very excited about this and want to help.........but they don't know how to march either!! I don't even have a budget for bringing over specialists yet (I will, that will be in 1-2 years).........so the ONLY way I can "educate" people is by showing them "Blast" or the DCI Championships (I have the 2005 and 2006 ESPN broadcast). The students think drum corps is just AMAZING.......and they think "we could NEVER do that!!"

OK, here comes a plea for help from anyone out there on the forum....I need downloadable videos of Div.2/3 corps - Division 3 preferred. I've already tried the official route - I contacted DCI (several e-mails to the home office) OVER A YEAR ago regarding bringing a contingent of teachers to the USA for the DCI Championships. My school was considering funding a trip for 2-3 teachers to Pasadena for education purposes - but DCI never returned my e-mails. I ALSO asked DCI about any promotional materials (videos, DVD's, literature) regarding Division 2 and 3........again, NO response. There IS interest over here about doing something like this........and there is a real LACK of information available. I think that if I show a couple of top Division 3 corps to my students, they'll look at that and think "ok, maybe we CAN do that" - and if I show these groups to my directors, the answer is probably going to be "tell us what you need". China is a HUGE, untapped resource when it comes to things like this......and there IS a lot of money floating around over here waiting to be spent on something worthwhile in the arts. That's the key - since no one over here has really seen this "crazy musical pastime" (to quote you, Dave), they have NO IDEA how worthwhile it is!! If this catches on (and I think it can), there is no reason why there couldn't be a "DCI China" in 20 years or so!! China thinks a bit differently.............it would be something like a regional/national series of competitions over here, and the top qualifiers (2 or 3) would advance to the international level (i.e. DCI in America or possibly Europe).

OK, I am speculating WAY too much here right now!! I have to start somewhere, and the parade band is where it will begin. Next, I need things to show my leaders and students (and not something like the Cavaliers, even though everyone here is just BLOWN AWAY by the "Machine" show from last year) - something that they can look at and think "ok - we CAN do that". Division 2 or 3 videos, marching band videos (smaller bands preferred), parade videos..........get the idea?? ANY help from ANYONE would be appreciated!! If anyone out there has anything they would prefer to send over here, PM me and I can give you the school's address. My school LOVES to establish friendships and cooperation with people (and SCHOOLS) from all over the world.....so if you send something as a "gift", we can reciprocate in kind with DVD's, potential performance opportunities here in Nanning (and in China).....any band directors out there interested??? PM me and we can talk!!!!

Whew............sorry about that - I just couldn't stop my fingers from typing!! Dave, I think I answered your question.....didn't I?? :wink:



Have you tried contacting the people at Taipei Yuehfu? Seems like they might have already gone through some of the similar challenges that you have faced. Looking farther down the road at exchanges, there would be no language barrier. Just a thought.

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Have you tried contacting the people at Taipei Yuehfu? Seems like they might have already gone through some of the similar challenges that you have faced. Looking farther down the road at exchanges, there would be no language barrier. Just a thought.



Hey abalone, that is a GREAT idea!!! I just looked up Taipei's website (www.yuehfu.org) and I am going to e-mail them. They really could be a valuable resource for MANY things.....including possibly some instructors that speak chinese!! Yes, I do speak some chinese.....but I still need a translator for real details. If I could bring over some younger techs for stuff like percussion and guard basics......financially my school would LOVE it. I still plan on calling up some good buddies (from the USA) of mine to help me with the design process once we reach the point of doing a real indoor/outdoor show.....but for now some good techs would be GREAT just to establish a good foundation. It will also be great just to contact Taipei as an organization and let them know what we're doing here in Nanning...I think this can be the basis of a cordial friendship between my school and Taipei Yuehfu. Abalone, thanks again!!! :D

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