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First to use a floor?

Post by Malibu » Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:13 am

I'm not up on my history in WGI like I should. Does anyone know who was the first winter guard to use a floor? I was just watching 1985 Erete Productions and they used a small white floor at the end of their show. I'm willing to bet they were one of the first if not THE first.
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Post by Marianne » Thu Mar 06, 2003 1:34 pm

So are you saying that pre-Erte, all of us winter guard members floated around in the air? Gee, I thought for sure I marched on a floor like everyone else! :lol:

Heh, yea I know what you meant. I just had to be a wise acre today. I'm sure glad I didn't have to float around in the air, I'm terrified of heights! That fear alone would have made me a terrible drum major. I get lumps in my throat when I see some the things out there they have to stand on!

Sorry, I really don't know the answer to your question though. I saw Erte that year at Dayton. Can't even remember the floor you're talking about.
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Post by Malibu » Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:16 pm

Marianne, their floor was white with all kinds of different shaped props behind it. Interesting because just the year before, Conquest Winter Guard was penalized at every show because of the use of their "moveable" props. You might remember, Conquest did a bizarre show using what looked like a stone wall that they would turn around and look like fire. The walls moves all over the floor creating different perspectives.
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Post by COP » Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:47 am

The first to use a floor was Pride of Cincinnatti around 1986? Pride did a space show and used a black floor with black uniforms. It was not used very effective and didn't catch on until......San Jose Raiders! They used a white floor and changed WGI for ever!!!!

As you noted a few guards did pull out small sections like the group who pulled out a Black and White checker board floor to cover the center as well as Erte'.

FYI Velvet Knights 1984 ONE OF THE BEST WGI SHOWS OF ALL TIME were used by a film student who brought them into a studio and used a white floor and white walls and taped their perfomance with several cameras. He also used Fog and camera effects. The Film was called SENERGY and was even shown on PUBLIC TV out west..... (I was not in the Winter guard in 1984 :( )
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Post by Malibu » Fri Mar 07, 2003 1:15 pm

Still, even if Erte in 1985 used only a small portion of a floor, the idea was clearly different and did give many designers the idea for future use. I think if they were the first to use a floor (even if it was small) they should be given that credit. I have emailed WGI asking if they know who and what year was the floor first introduced. :roll:
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Post by LancerFi » Fri Mar 07, 2003 3:55 pm

This is from Dale Powers, the director of Emerald Marquis all of their years:

"No sorry, actually we were late getting in to the floor business, 1991 was our first.

The first floor was Pride Of Cincinnati in 1986 I believe. the year they did the space show (Star Trek something like that). The didn't make finals so it was not on the video tape.
Raiders were next in 1988, then the world as we know it changed in 1989.

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Post by COP » Sat Mar 08, 2003 8:56 pm

Malibu, before Erte' Productions, there was Admeral Guard, they covered the center of the floor as an A class guard then Open in about 1985, they used a Black and White Check floor foor a Ball Room effect.... The Music was, a Blue Devil song? BD used it on the field as their closer in 1982.... They were before Erte as well...
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Post by LancerFi » Sun Mar 09, 2003 9:09 am

Was the song "People Alone" from The Competition?

For some reason I thought they played Pegasus as their last # in 82...guess I am getting old... :cry:

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Post by COP » Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:46 am

Pegasus was drum solo (?)
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Post by Malibu » Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:38 am

COP wrote:Pegasus was drum solo (?)


Looking at my album it says;

Blue Devils (1982)
T.O.
Pegasus
Paradox
One More Time Chuck Correa

Now, wasn't that supposed to be "Chick Correa?"
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Post by Malibu » Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:40 am

COP wrote:Malibu, before Erte' Productions, there was Admeral Guard, they covered the center of the floor as an A class guard then Open in about 1985, they used a Black and White Check floor foor a Ball Room effect.... The Music was, a Blue Devil song? BD used it on the field as their closer in 1982.... They were before Erte as well...



OK, then so far credit should be given to Admeral Guard and Erte Productions since both used it in 1985. Right now I'm not concerned about who's was bigger, just "who" started the idea.
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Post by WE ARE SPARTACI » Mon Mar 10, 2003 1:09 pm

Malibu wrote:
COP wrote:Pegasus was drum solo (?)


Looking at my album it says;

Blue Devils (1982)
T.O.
Pegasus
Paradox
One More Time Chuck Correa

Now, wasn't that supposed to be "Chick Correa?"


Paradox (Kansas) was the drum solo. Pegasus was the ballad. The "Chuck Correa" title was a play on words combining the names of Chick Correa and Chuck Mangione. All that said, '82 was a great year! 8-)
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Post by COP » Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:30 pm

Then your answer is Pride of Cincinnatti covered the floor first.

Admeral Guard covered the center only but used it the entire show and marched over it...

Erte' only pulled out a tarp at the end as a piece of Art. (a blank page).
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Post by Malibu » Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:49 pm

COP wrote:Then your answer is Pride of Cincinnatti covered the floor first.

Admeral Guard covered the center only but used it the entire show and marched over it...

Erte' only pulled out a tarp at the end as a piece of Art. (a blank page).



I understand that, but the initial idea had to have come from somewhere....be it small or large.
So, I still say Erte and Admeral should be given the credit for being the first. Pride for being the first to cover the entire floor but only after they saw what a partial piece could do. You know it had instructors & designers heads spinning with ideas.
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Post by Malibu » Tue Mar 11, 2003 7:11 pm

OK, I wrote to WGI and this is their response;


Erte used a smaller sized floor in 85' at the end of their show , Pride of Cincinnati used a full size black tarp for part of their show in 86'- they did a Star Trek show and used it during the "black hole" section. And the San Jose Raiders were the first to use one during the entire show in 1988.. Hope this helps :)

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